{"id":20861,"date":"2023-04-14T11:25:59","date_gmt":"2023-04-14T08:25:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ziarulderimnic.ro\/?p=20861"},"modified":"2023-04-14T11:25:59","modified_gmt":"2023-04-14T08:25:59","slug":"faradelegea-lui-calin-sadul-tivil-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ziarulderimnic.ro\/?p=20861","title":{"rendered":"F\u0103r\u0103delegea lui C\u0103lin &#8211; Sadul \u021bivil"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>         Dup\u0103 mine dac\u0103 era, renun\u021bam&#8230;.<br \/>\n      Fiind la lichidarea societ\u0103\u021bii, mi se p\u0103rea firesc s\u0103 las doar lichidatorul s\u0103 pl\u0103teasc\u0103 creditorii societ\u0103\u021bii, ei r\u0103m\u0103seser\u0103 s\u0103 se ocupe de treburi dup\u0103 ce primiser\u0103 \u00een primire toate ale societ\u0103\u021bii. Deci, ce caut\u0103 asocia\u021bii \u0219i doar ,,&#8230; dup\u0103 caz&#8230;\u201d lichidatorul? (Art. 1945)<br \/>\n        Contrariat sunt \u0219i de lipsa unui alineat care la Art. 1946 s\u0103 ia \u00een considerare \u0219i situa\u021bia \u00een care nu se acoper\u0103 din aportul asocia\u021bilor datoriilde. Aici exist\u0103 doar varianta \u00een care dup\u0103 plata obliga\u021biilor aportul r\u0103m\u00e2ne \u00eentreg, se \u00eemparte dup\u0103 propor\u021bia ini\u021bial\u0103 asocia\u021bilor \u0219i dac\u0103 mai r\u0103m\u00e2ne un ,,&#8230; eventual excedent&#8230;\u201d, acesta se consider\u0103 profit \u0219i va fi repartizat dup\u0103 acela\u0219i algoritm. Ace\u0219tia sunt \u00een mare parte bani. Obiectele din folosin\u021b\u0103, uzufructul se restituie \u00een natur\u0103. Iat\u0103 \u0219i sulta &#8211; nesperat\u0103, ne\u0219tiut\u0103 &#8211; pentru bunurile ce se consider\u0103 mas\u0103 patrimonial\u0103 \u0219i ce se vor \u00eenapoia asociatului \u00een natur\u0103. Ne\u0219tiut\u0103 ca termen, \u00eens\u0103 cine le \u0219tie pe toate? S\u0103 fie dup\u0103 dex diferen\u021ba de valoare la schimbul de obiecte. Vine cu m\u00e2na&#8230; goal\u0103, cu capul plin \u0219i r\u0103m\u00e2ne \u0219i cu ceva la \u00eenchiderea societ\u0103\u021bii: ,,&#8230; bunurile rezultate din presta\u021bia sa&#8230;\u201d. \u0218i-o sult\u0103 la nevoie. Nu \u00eentrez\u0103resc obiectul care s\u0103 nu poat\u0103 fi \u00eentors c\u0103tre asocia\u021bi, s\u0103 fie at\u00e2t de interzis de lege \u00eenc\u00e2t s\u0103 fie v\u00e2ndut la licita\u021bie \u0219i s\u0103 se \u00eentoarc\u0103 sub form\u0103 de cot\u0103 totu\u0219i la aceea\u0219i asocia\u021bi.<br \/>\n         M\u0103car pentru o parte din nedumerire m-am \u00een\u0219elat, activul net de nu poate fi folosit ,,&#8230; pentru \u00eenapoirea \u00een \u00eentregime a aporturilor \u0219i pentru plata obliga\u021biilor sociale&#8230;\u201d, pierderea este propor\u021bional\u0103 cu cota parte a fiec\u0103rui asociat. (Art. 1947)<br \/>\n        Am aceea\u0219i senza\u021bie c\u0103 ,,\u00eemp\u0103r\u021beal\u0103\u201d r\u0103m\u00e2ne inadecvat ca sonoritate pentru Codul Civil \u0219i lege \u00een general. \u00cemp\u0103r\u021bire era mult mai nimerit pentru desp\u0103r\u021birea \u0219i alocarea ,,&#8230; \u00een natur\u0103 a bunurilor societ\u0103\u021bii&#8230;\u201d. \u00cen conformitate cu cea a bunurilor ce se constituie \u00een proprietate comun\u0103. (Art. 1948)<br \/>\n         Ne-am descotorosit de societate \u0219i ne-am \u00eentors la asociere, dar cu participa\u021bie. Ne\u00eensemn\u00e2nd ce g\u00e2ndi\u021bi, deloc chiar. Se refer\u0103 la&#8230;. Ba. C\u0103ci de nu cite\u0219ti interpretarea no\u021biunii, ri\u0219ti s\u0103 gre\u0219e\u0219ti. Asigurarea de participare la beneficii \u0219i pierderi reprezenta \u00eentr-o lectur\u0103 normal\u0103 doar \u00eemp\u0103r\u021birea \u0219i a c\u00e2\u0219tigurilor, \u0219i a pierderilor cu anumite persoane, f\u0103r\u0103 ca acestea s\u0103 pun\u0103 vreo le\u021bcaie. \u0218i este exact invers. Vii cu contribu\u021bie, ai parte de toate. Nu, nu ai nimic. Exemplul legislatorilor \u0219i comentatorilor este despre un \u00eentreprinz\u0103tor care nu are fonduri \u0219i se asociaz\u0103 ulterior cu al\u021bii. (Art. 1949)<br \/>\n        Ca s\u0103 fie bun, contractul trebuie s\u0103 fie redactat \u00een forma \u00eenscrisului. (Art. 1950)<br \/>\n        Am mai c\u0103utat ce-i cu participa\u021bia \u0219i am conchis c\u0103 e o chestie opera\u021bional\u0103, necesar\u0103 doar c\u00e2t \u021bin anumite obliga\u021bii \u0219i drepturi convenite \u00eentre un x \u0219i un y economic, s\u0103 le spunem. De aceea trec\u0103toarea asociere nu poate c\u0103p\u0103ta personalitate juridic\u0103 \u0219i nu ofer\u0103 ter\u021bilor un drept anume, ei r\u0103m\u00e2n rela\u021bional obliga\u021bi doar fa\u021b\u0103 de asociatul cu care au contract. (Art. 1951)<br \/>\n         Aporturile r\u0103m\u00e2n la nivelul temporal al asocierii cu participa\u021bie, fiecare este proprietar pe bunul asociat, dar el poate deveni bun comun \u00een perioada lucrativ\u0103, poate trece \u00een proprietatea celuilalt, cu respectarea formalit\u0103\u021bilor legale, iar la finalul colabor\u0103rii poate fi redob\u00e2ndit \u00een natur\u0103 de c\u0103tre asociatul ce l-a \u00eenstr\u0103inat. (Art. 1952)<br \/>\n         Avantajele participa\u021biei. Pot ac\u021biona \u00een contul asocierii, dar se angajeaz\u0103 \u0219i contract\u0103 \u00een nume propriu cu ter\u021bii. \u00cen cazul \u00een care ac\u021bioneaz\u0103 ca \u0219i cum ar fi parte deplin\u0103 \u00een asociere, de actele efectuate fa\u021b\u0103 de ter\u021bi r\u0103spund solidar. Ter\u021bul \u00eens\u0103 \u021bine doar de asociatul cu care a contractat. Limit\u0103rile fa\u021b\u0103 de ter\u021bi, garant\u0103rile de beneficii minime sunt interzise. Scrise nu fac dou\u0103 parale. (Art. 1953)<br \/>\n        Sec\u021biunea pune punct cu c\u00e2teva generaliz\u0103ri despre conven\u021bie &#8211; determinant\u0103 \u00een forma contractului -, despre durat\u0103, condi\u021biile de asociere, precum \u0219i despre lichidare \u0219i dizolvare. Ceea ce nu este cazul asocierii prin participa\u021bie. (Art. 1954)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dup\u0103 mine dac\u0103 era, renun\u021bam&#8230;. 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